I get hits from search engines all the time on some of my discussions about 6v6 soccer formations, so I guess it’s time to talk about 8v8 formations. If you’d like, you can read my previous posts on the subject below:
In my first post I touched on 8v8 and noted that teams with strong defenses were winning, at least in our Rec division. You’d be amazed how many coaches still put their weakest players back on defense, then can’t figure out why they’re allowing five goals a match. Back then we saw a number of formations in Rec, from 3-4 to 1-2-3-1 or 1-2-1-3, with the latter ones much more structured (players stayed in very small areas of the field). Recently teams seem to have migrated to a more free flowing 3-4 almost across the board (some will say it’s a 3-2-2, but it’s pretty hard to tell!) Now that I’ve coached 8v8 at the travel level a bit, it’s interesting to see what works and what doesn’t.
Obviously, the first thing to consider as a coach is formations are only as good as the players using them. You will find your players will drive you towards a successful formation, not the other way around. We’ll touch on why in a moment.
Most U12 Rec teams I’ve seen play will use a simple 3-4. The three defenders can usually stop most attacks given the lack of passing at that level and the four up front can make for a strong attack. The better teams often push all three defenders up front and try to seal things off at midfield. In Challenge last year, we played a 3-2-2 or a 3-1-3. Three defenders helped us stop many attacks, even if less skilled players were in back. But the formations had a few problems. 3-1-3 leaves the midfield too open so our forwards rarely got any service. The three forwards want to stay forward, so the sole midfielder had to try and cover it all – not likely. Plus you find your midfielder strongly tempted to come back and help defend on strong attacks, leaving your midfield wide open except for your center forward (who you expect to be pushed to midfield by a smart defense).
After some debate and watching some stronger U12 teams play, we switched formations this season. What I describe here is based on our experience with girls – though I have seen boys teams use this often as well. We have a strong group of players who can play defense, so we decided to go with two defenders. Initially we decided to go with a 2-3-2 since it setup so many natural triangles. (Bonus points to the first person who can say which collegiate women’s program made the 3-4-3 a success!) We told the strikers/forwards that they were in no ‘position’ in terms of left or right. They were encouraged to go where ever they felt they had the best chance to score without getting near their teammate. But we found that we would often end up with one midfielder again trying to settle things down in the circle, since our wings were told to stay wide. So we shifted to a 2-4-1 formation. This provided more coverage at mid field where so many goal kicks and punts go at this age. On the attack we push five up front with two defenders at midfield and our players forming a W in front of the goal (wings deep, striker in the goal box, center mid’s just outside the penalty area). On defense, we rely on our two main defenders with support from the two center midfielders who will come back on wing attacks, corners, goal kicks, etc. From a front to back point of view, we try to keep our striker between the opponent’s goal and midfield, our wings between the opponent’s goal and a few yards over mid field, our midfielders between the 18yd line on each end (yes I know it’s not actually 18 yds in 8v8
), and the defenders between our goal and midfield except on corner kicks or deep attacks when a team leaves one or none of their strikers at midfield. Our keeper plays almost as a sweeper, clearing balls outside the penalty area she can clearly win before an opponent is able to transition to an attack on a throughball.
Now this is a risky formation because you only have two defenders and most teams bring four attackers in 8v8. However, we rely on our defenders ability to intercept passes, back each other up well, and win 1v1 challenges along with the two center midfielders coming in to support. Even against teams who pass very well, we’ve kept scores low and most we let in are breakdowns/mistakes vs the other team moving the ball through our defense. In watching some top level U12 girls teams, many use a similar formation. But your defenders have to have serious confidence to do this and they have to play together well – backing each other up as needed. If we find a team taking the risk to bring five against us, we’ll have one of the midfielders hang back a little more than usual. Eventually we want our midfielders to get the idea that when one is fighting for a free ball going towards our goal, the other center mid should be drifting towards the opponent’s goal. Step by step as they say.
The formation has worked well for us as we’ve only allowed 3 goals in the regular season. Tournaments have been less successful, but we’ve also found that our team struggles in tournaments and also that many of the fields we play tournaments on are at the shorter range of the 8v8 field requirements. In those cases we probably could switch to a 2-3-2 since the forwards and defenders are often closer to midfield to help ‘take up space’ I should have tried that last weekend but didn’t.
So for those of you coaching 8v8 – what formation have you found works for teams at your level? Are you still using three defenders, or have you stepped up to using two? Do you stick with one formation only or have you found that you switch depending on what you face. Do your players know the difference between the two formations?





October 19th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
With my U12s, we play a 3-2-2. In terms of positioning, I play my strongest/fastest player at the center D position.
One of the girls that I play there plays what is looking like a classic stopper role.
In terms of strong/weak players, I tend to hide my weakest player as a mid. But, weakness is relative, one of the things I love about my current team is that the gap between my top and bottom players is relatively narrow.
October 21st, 2008 at 12:09 pm
In U12 we play a 1-2-2-2. (1) A Sweeper (Job is to sweep everything to the outside, if they are open then push the ball up the line and have two defenders stay back. (2) Defenders (Job is two challenge every ball, becuase we have are strong defender”Sweeper” back them up. (2) Mid (Job run both ways, but always that their main job is to get back and help on the defense side of the field if need. (2) Forwards. We have 4-5 good players here that have a lot of speed and can make good give-n-go’s with the mid and other forwards.
October 21st, 2008 at 11:38 pm
We recently switched to a 3-3-1. We emphasize running the left and right midfielders up to support the attack. It makes for a pretty strong formation if you have speed on the wings. It also helps bring numbers to dominate the midfield.
October 28th, 2008 at 8:49 am
John – always nice when your roster is deep with talent. We played a very similar formation last Spring with a very fast/skilled player at center D. Worked VERY well and we were very hard to score on. We just struggled to score because we had trouble getting our defense to build the plays from the backfield. I think the switch to two backs was an attempt to better seal off the middle. Our team is having other struggles at the moment, but we still have the lowest goals allowed in the 16 team division – so we seem to be doing OK defensively.
October 28th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Mark – do you find the triangle back field opens you up to easier diagonal attack lanes for opposing forwards? Classic argument between the diamond defense common in the US and flat back preferred in Europe.
October 28th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Joel,
I like that lineup. The trick is having midfielders who can transition back away from the attack when you face a fast tempo keeper. Definitely builds numbers.
November 11th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Soccer Dad,
That weak player that I’d been hiding– it turns out she was better up top. Just to be clear, I’m not coaching a team of future WNT players– its just that I have an amazingly balanced squad with a large number of very solid players.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Good article; our U12 is a 1-2-1-3, we have our best defender as sweeper, two fullbacks that can range up and pinch off opposing attacks, one midfielder who goes everywhere and helps defend as well as attack, two wingers who come back and support as well as cross balls into the area and a striker. Our midfieder is super fast and can run all day, which is key. Also, the wingers and fullbacks will overlap on attacks.
September 23rd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
We play a 2-1-3-1 for our U12 team and enjoy good success with it. One of the things that I’ve done with this set-up is to play a weaker player, or a one dimensional player, as my forward. This encourages my mids to join up into the attack. Also, we practice a ton of overlaps and crosses within the box. Good numbers in the middle third also make my stopper a lot stronger and real aggressive at attacking loose balls and running at 50-50 balls.
September 25th, 2009 at 11:10 am
My son plays on a U12 travel team. They of course play 8v8. He has two coaches, one played in college in US and I believe one year over seas somewhere. I really do not know about our head coach as far as playing or coaching experence. Our team has sort of gone down hill over the last two seasons even though we have added what most would consider a couple stronger players while losing a couple of our weaker ones. We have gone from winning aprox. 50% of our games to maybe 20%. We are simplly not scoring goals. Kids who use to be scoring on a regular basis are now not scoring at all. In my opinion the team is a mess right now. Many parents are not happy with the lack of progress being made, myself included. Most of these kids have played for at least 8 years and were picked from a field of 35 players who tried out. I believe the kids are also losing comfidence in their coach and each other at this point. At what point do we the parents go to our coaches and voice our concerns? I read on here about coaches trying different sets to find something that works. Ours stick with one, game after game. Our warmups are really a joke compared to other teams prior to a game. Practices tend to be the same thing night after night. Some basic mistakes being made in game one are still being made after 4 or 5 games without being corrected. As you can tell I am at the end of my rope with these coaches. However I do not want to be a jerk either. What would you do?
September 26th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Kind of depends on what exactly is going on. If the coach has made a determination that the players are not developing individually (technically), then the learning curve may result in more losses initially.
If however, the coach is a typically trained US college trained player turned coach, with a lot of focus placed on executing plays rather than developing the players, then your best option may be to play out your commitment and, after the season, contact the DOC and request another coach in the Spring.
A word of caution, though, I’ve never even heard of a situation where confronting the coaches or contacting the front office has ever turned out anything except a complete disaster. Your team chemistry won’t improve and no good coach will want to coach a team where the parents are willing to create a coalition against the coach.
September 28th, 2009 at 8:22 am
Coachbrad, Thanks so much for the response. They are working hard on developing the players but in doing so the team has really moved so far backward that it is hard to see where we’re going. I do understand it is sort of like the good golfer who in correcting his swing appears to be playing not so good for awhile. But in the long run he will be a better golfer. I think to be honest it comes down to players as you said. Some are getting it and some are not. We honestly have a few players that should not be on this team. They are decent players but they really lack the skills and commitment to advance to where they need to be. Problem is our coach sort of coaches like he is still coaching rec.. I mean why is your best player sitting on the bench for nearly 15 min. of the second half in a tie game with your closest rival. This is a kid who either scored or got an assist on every goal your team has made in the last three games. Why was he sitting? Cause it was his turn to sit out! By the way, this is not my kid. My kid is maybe top 5 on the team, but this kid is clearly #1. Oh, we lost by 2. My son was so pissed that he didn’t say a word on the 50 min. ride home. Later he asked ” dad, why was xxx sitting out in the 2nd half?” What do you say? This is my point. It is like he is not trying to win. I’m all for doing what is better for the team in the long run, but when the kids realize the coach blew it then you are in trouble. You have to keep the kids motivated. Losing games that you should have won will do little to keep your team behind you and your program.
But I for sure agree with you, not much good can come out of confronting the coach. It is really a bad situation. What I see happening is several of our better players will simply leave the team at some point and play another sport. Sad but true.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Sounds like a bad situation. Part of the expectation of playing on a travel team is being competitive and playing to win. In NC, coaches of a Classic team (the highest competitive level) have complete control over how much each player plays. Some kids might not play at all. In Challenge (the second highest level) the coach is required to play each child at least 50% of the game if they made it to both practices. Maybe your coach is held up by some of your league rules.
Either way, it sounds like everyone has lost confidence in him. A coach should be coaching for the best players on the team and the weaker players should be hustling to catch up. If he’s coaching for the weaker players your best players will go on and play a different sport, or at least move to a team where their talents can be better developed.
September 28th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Coachbrad, You said it so much better than I was able to do. “If he is coaching for the weaker players your best players will go on and play a different sport, or at least move to a team where their talents can be better developed”. You nailed it! That is what he is doing. Oh and our league does not have any requirement that everyone play. Myself, I’ve always believed however that if a kid is good enough to be on the team he or she should play at least some in most games. Just my opinion however. We will stick with it, because we do not quit. But my hope is the coach will simply decide to give someone else a shot next season. I’m most likley dreaming.lol Hay, have a super day. Thanks for listening!!
February 25th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
2-3-2..early way to teach forwards about making runs..not just hanging out on the wings..also, if you have the right player as keeper, we used her as essentially the middle defender. Really taught her about judging long balls and using her foot skills as she ended up cutting off a lot of long balls that the dump and chase teams try. It does teach, but demands a lot of, those outside midfielders..cover the weak side AND be the far post option on attack..
Anson Dorrance at UNC? He is a big proponent of the 1-3-4-3.
February 25th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
I really liked playing 2-3-2 with my U11/U12 girls team. Haven’t had confident enough defenders in Rec to try it – but with my travel girls it worked very well. Made the transition to 11v11, where we play 3-4-3, VERY easy. Hardest part is getting the far wing to run back with the extra attacker. Once they ‘get’ that – it works well and also encourages defenses to be comfortable with ’shifting’ as attacks come in.
March 9th, 2010 at 3:59 am
For the fall season we played 3-1-3 for both our rec league & tourn team. Worked well most of the time but we had 9 “good – above average” players and 3 “fair – good” players. This season I lost half of that team to other teams or other sports so we are rebuilding trying to find something that works. I am kicking around 2-2-3 as the biggest issue I have seen this season with my girls is the 3 defenders don’t want to move and end up blocking the keeper from seeing where the ball is so she has time to set-up to block the shot.
March 17th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
So far a 3-3-1 works best. My single striker is fastest player as she reads the field left to right with ball. I keep her onside with last defender. This way my outside backs can build the attack and allows for my mids and strikers to form great diamond shape on the pitch for options and service. I am halfway through the spring season and I am contemplating working the 3-2-2, mainly for a Myrtle Beach tournament coming up. I feel it would benefit the girls when playing teams that push defense to midfield so there would be two strikers to serve runs instead of one. Great posts on here by the way.